keywords for demons and diseases #33
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DenisNosnitsin1970,
thea-m,
abausi,
nafisa-valieva,
karljonaskarlsson and
CarstenHoffmannMarburg
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| <p>A cause of disease, frequently target of <term key="Magic">magic prayers</term>; see also <persName ref="ETH1219baryas"></persName>.</p> |
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Demonic entities? there is a social group, the 'slaves' and there is a deamon, no? @DenisNosnitsin1970 @karljonaskarlsson
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I would suggest changing it to 'A cause of disease or a demon, often ...'. As I understand it, the Bāryā is often personalised in the form of a demon, as can be seen from its attributes such as Bāryā ṣallim, i.e. "black Bāryā". This could be included in the term "cause", but I think it is useful to be more specific and define it as a demon in this case. The problem that the term has a historical development, as is the case with many magic names and terms, can be dealt with later, after consulting the relevant literature.
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I think Nafisa's observation is correct: ETH1219baryas seems to refer to an ethnic group and not to a type of demons. It is used for a group of military units in Amda Seyon's chronicle, for example
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ETH1219baryas is a social group, the ID is not used for the military unit, see now also BetaMasaheft/Persons#914
At the moment what I created are keywords. If we want expanded records with more names, bibliographies etc, it may be then necessary to create Authority files as we do e.g. for Art themes, I am not sure |
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If we keep ʾaqʷǝyāṣāt, we should write ʾAqʷǝyāṣāt with a capital first letter as with the other keywords.
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ʾaqʷǝyāṣāt is Plural from qʷǝyṣ "shinbone". I think the idea is, that persons or mule on risky pathways should not be harmed by getting struck by their shinbones, e.g. shall not have accidents on their ways. I think it is more a metaphor for going safe and sound and not so much a demonic entity, magic agent or something, that justifies the creation of a keyword for it.
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| <p>As a cause of disease - frequently target of <term key="Magic">magic prayers</term>. Similar to <term key="EvilEye"></term>; see also <persName ref="ETH1310Buda"></persName></p> |
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I suggest: "As a cause of disease or misfortune - ..."
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I think these prayers are all about women's menstruation. So we can say: "Female menstruation and menstrual cramps perceived as a disease - ..."
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I have not noticed that it is used that often, but I have no problem with a new keyword.
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I would prefer "masṭǝma gānen"/"Masṭǝma gānen".
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"As a cause of disease or misfortune - ..."
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| <p>Fever of undefined origin, frequently target of <term key="Magic">magic prayers</term>.</p> |
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I think there should be a distinction between ferā (everything that is contagious) and nǝdad (everything that goes with higher temperature). I think in this case we are talking about nǝdad. Ferā might be another keyword, although I think it is less frequent.
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A second form is gʷǝdāle. It may be related to gadala 'to kill', but it is probably better to refrain from a literal explanation for now.
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If we accept that ferā is always or often malaria, we can use this term. I wonder if it is possible to identify diseases accurately in ancient texts.
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I am wondering, why I see the message 'All checks have failed' shortly after I have given my review? 
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no need to wonder, it is because the files do not validate as long as the schema has not been updated to include the new keywords already used in the records |
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I think Nafisa's observation is correct: ETH1219baryas seems to refer to an ethnic group and not to a type of demons. It is used for a group of military units in Amda Seyon's chronicle, for example
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| <p>As a cause of disease - frequently target of <term key="Magic">magic prayers</term>. Similar to <term key="EvilEye"></term>; see also <persName ref="ETH1310Buda"></persName></p> |
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Is it a principle to encode types of demons as ethnic groups?
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ETH1310Buda is not a demon, it is a term used traditionly for the social group, just like Barya
In my opinion, more information could be added now or later. This would be very useful as many names or terms are ambiguous and need explanation. This can be done in the summary of the files you have created for the keywords. But it might be more visible and practical if each of them, or at least some of them, also got authority files. I think this is more practical because demons, diseases, etc. can also appear in other texts (e.g. chronologies). It could be easily marked up with ref type="authFile", but also with PRS IDs for demons or wizards. |
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On looking at the list of suggestions BetaMasaheft/Documentation#2627 I think we must for now try to keep the list of keywords to a sensible and manageable minimum, or noone will be able to find anything. I will give it some more thoughts |
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(we cannot create PRS IDs for anything other than persons or groups of persons; demons are not persons) |
Except for the Devil himself (PRS11330Devil) and Angels (like PRS13936Kirubel). |
Devil=Lucifer=Satan as THE personification is OK, but PRS13936Kirubel is not a person but an angel category and should be removed from persons, it was created by @GueshSol who probably was not aware of the rule. |
We also have Raphael/Rufaʾel in PRS8083Raphael. |
PRS7840Phanuel |
PRS9036Suriel |
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Raphael, Suriel, Michael, Gabriel are personified. |
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@eu-genia What I created is the name of a person who owns a certain manuscript I am not referring an angel in my context (see the snapshot image from MS Art institute of Chicago for you reference attached here). If the name of the person is Kirubel though the name originally related to an angel, what is wrong if we create an ID for a person named Kirubel as we have additional person names of Surafel, Mikael, and the like? I don't see any lack of awareness in this regard. |
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Thank you! Then all is good, I did not check attestations, only reacted to what was written in the issue! Owners are of course persons! |
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It is important to remember that the whole taxonomy (ALL keywords, whether those in the record or not, the whole file) is inserted into each XML record when it is expanded to be displayed, so we should try to keep the taxonomy compact (or find another solution for the future). Every added line increases the size of each and every XML record in the system. While each line is not a lot, when you reproduce it 100 000 times it does take storage space. I think it is OK to create separate PRS records for "personified" demons (such as Werzelya) etc. We already have I think we could add the following to the taxonomy Magic and spells
Originally posted by @eu-genia in BetaMasaheft/Documentation#2627 (comment) One could also imagine creating Narrative units for some frequent topoi |
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Here it is probably useful to add some explanations, especially whether ʾaynat and budā shall be represented by EvilEye or not. To my understanding, both terms may fit to this category, but are quiet ambivalent in their meaning (Cf. BetaMasaheft/Documentation#2592).
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| <catDesc>Magic symbols or letters (see also Asmat for ʾAsmāt or Secret |
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Probably it is useful to add also Qālāt as a term, that was used by Strelcyn.
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Probably it is useful to add also Qālāt as a term, that was used by Strelcyn.
see above
We already have
demonamong the keywords, that can always be used together with the genericMagic/MagicText/MagicFormulakeywords, and we also haveAsmat(we can specify there that it also covers qālāt).
BetaMasaheft/Documentation#2603 (comment)