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Add hereditarily connected property #800

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Adds hereditarily connected property, 11 theorems for it plus another theorem that arose during my work, and some traits for spaces where the property holds.

Addresses #796

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prabau commented Oct 15, 2024

P196: The most important property, structurally, is the fact that the family of open sets is totally ordered by inclusion. The other equivalent properties directly follow from that, and it's also the easiest to check for a given space. So should that be the primary name?

On the other hand, "hereditarily connected" is shorter to type and shorter to read. Maybe that one is better. And after a while of working with this, both characterizations are implied anyway. @danflapjax, @StevenClontz pros and cons?

Based on previous discussions in community calls, for names that are nouns instead of adjectives we have usually followed the pattern "Has ...". Thus "Has a totally ordered topology". Note that this convention was not always followed (e.g., "Partition topology"). So we can ask @StevenClontz for advice about that.

When referencing a paper which is also in the refs: list, we normally use the same reference in the text. So in this case, {{zb:0396.54009}} instead of referencing the pdf file directly. The pdf file is accessible via the doi link on the zbmath page.
(Alternatively, use the doi directly?)

I think the last sentence should say: "For proof of the equivalences and further characterizations, see ...".

Is the third bullet meant to mean "The specialization preorder is a total order"? (Added later: I got it now. It's a total preorder, not a total order in general). Easy to check directly. Does this property correspond to one in Theorem 22 of the paper?

P185: same comment about the reference, which should also be added to the refs: section.

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prabau commented Oct 15, 2024

T550: seems redundant

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I agree that a property name that the open sets are totally ordered would be much clearer, but I was reluctant to invent a name for the database.

You are correct about T550; it holds that countable + well-based -> second countable.

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"Hereditarily connected" feels more natural, while "has a topology totally ordered by subset relation" feels more artificial, even though they end up to be equivalent, and the latter characterization ends up being more useful. So I'd vote for "hereditarily connected" as the main name.

I don't have strong feelings of "Has a partition topology" or "Partition topology", though I'd like to pick one for consistency and put it in the wiki for future reference.

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prabau commented Oct 15, 2024

Yeah, thanks. I am fine with "hereditarily connected". And since it's only an alias and not the main name, I am ok with "Totally ordered topology" and not "Has a totally ordered topology".

Will give more comments later today.

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prabau commented Oct 16, 2024

P196: "totally ordered by set inclusion" --> "totally ordered by inclusion" (is there another kind of inclusion?).

It's obvious, but I think it would be useful to have both "The family of open sets is totally ordered by inclusion" and "The family of closed sets is totally ordered by inclusion" (since the second one is used explicitly in the proof of some of the theorems). (For example, it's used implicitly to deduce a hereditarily connected space is ultraconnected in the proof of T553.)

T547: "the property is hereditary": not clear if "the property" refers to Normal or to Hereditary connected. But it's obvious, so maybe remove that phrase and all becomes clearer. Also typo: "disjoint".

T548: Should we mention condition (10) of Theorem 23? Plus link to the pdf not working, like in many other files.

T555: the definition of biconnected is specifically phrased in terms of a partition into two subsets, etc. But probably clearer would be to use the equivalent characterization for P44. So something like: "$X$ has two disjoint subsets, each with at least two points. And each of the subsets is connected."

T556: I am confused by this proof, and the business of second largest open set. The following seems easier:
"Let $\mathscr U$ be an open cover of $X$. By compactness, $\mathscr U$ has a finite subcover $\mathscr V$. Since $\mathscr V$ is totally ordered by inclusion, it has a largest element $V$. So $X=\bigcup\mathscr V=V$. Therefore $X\in\mathscr U$ and $\{X\}$ is a clopen refinement of $\mathscr U$ partitioning the space."

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I replaced T556 with stronger theorems and addressed the rest of your comments.

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prabau commented Oct 16, 2024

T550 [shrinking + hyperconnected ==> ultraparacompact] This is a good result.
For the proof, "every open cover must contain $X$": not hard, but it would be worth adding something to explain.

For the last sentence, showing every open cover admits a clopen refinement is not enough to have ultraparacompact. One also needs the refinement to be a partition of the space, or equivalently, to be locally finite. So easier to say for example something like "Thus $\mathscr U$ admits $\{X\}$ as a clopen refinement that partitions the space." (if you name the open cover as $\mathscr U$ in the previous sentence).

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prabau commented Oct 17, 2024

T551: The proof is incomplete. The first part needs some more explanation. And the last part is not trivial, needs a reference to something. Here is a suggestion:

By {P93} choose a countable open neighborhood of each point. So $X$ can be covered by a family of countable sets, forming a chain under inclusion by {P196}. And the union of a chain of countable sets has cardinality at most $\aleph_1$ (see {{mathse:342091}} for example).

And add https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/342091 to the refs:.

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prabau commented Oct 17, 2024

T552: I don't understand this proof. Can you explain it to me here?

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T552: I don't understand this proof. Can you explain it to me here?

That turned out to be another theorem relating to ultraparacompact + connected, which is equivalent for nonempty spaces to 'there exists a point whose only neighborhood is $X$'. If such a space is homogeneous, then every point has $X$ as its only neighborhood.

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prabau commented Oct 17, 2024

Thanks for the new T552. Again there is a minor problem (to have an ultraparacompact space it's not enough to require that every open cover has a clopen refinement). Let me fix this.

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prabau commented Oct 17, 2024

I removed T558 [ultraconnected ==> collectionwise normal], as it is not directly related to this PR. It can be added in a separate PR, but it can be a replacement for the existing T72.

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prabau commented Oct 17, 2024

Updated T551 as suggested earlier.

I also checked for myself that T554 is true. Rephrased the last part in terms of a successor ordinal, which seemed easier than a non-limit ordinal (assuming nonempty). Also added that the topology should be homeomorphic to the left-ray topology on a successor ordinal. Please double check me on this.

That would indicate for example that the left-ray topology on $\omega+1$ or $\omega_1+1$ is spectral. These would be good examples to add at some point, I think.

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prabau commented Oct 18, 2024

@danflapjax I checked the changes for the spaces and everything looks good. As far as I am concerned, this is ready to go.

Please see if you have any comments about the changes I added.

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@prabau should this be approved, or did you want another reviewer to take a look?

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Please see if you have any comments about the changes I added.

Your changes look great to me.

@prabau prabau merged commit 6b4195c into main Oct 18, 2024
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