MSC2781: Remove the reply fallbacks from the specification #2781
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I understand the controversy but I really think that fallbacks bring more problems (especially in terms of the content getting stuck in messages not belonging to authors) than solutions to those who try to stay as simple as possible. The requirement to strip the fallbacks in replies raises the bar of implementing them to the point where half of the ecosystem chooses not to deal with that. Besides, the fallbacks are a huge HTML foot in the door where plaintext messengers have literally no chance of compliance. So yes, please, let's go with it.
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I'm still concerned about the jump to removal here, but not enough to prevent this MSC from moving forwards: @mscbot resolve We must deprecate before removal I have unticked my box though to get broader alignment from the remaining SCT members on this. |
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* MSC2781: Down with the fallbacks Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Add a note about dropping the html requirement Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Add an unstable prefix for removed fallbacks. Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Add a section about fallbacks not being properly specified. Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Add appendix about which clients do not support replies (and why, if possible) Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Correct weechat status Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Add another alternative Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Document a few more issues with fallbacks Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Update client status, remove proposal for edits and try to turn down the language a bit Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Remove mistaken reference to the Qt renderer Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Try to make motivation a bit clearer in the proposal Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * How do anchors work? Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Drop reference to issues with edit fallbacks Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Typos Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Address review comments Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * More edits Move edit section to a single sentence in "interaction with other features". Spell out why the IRC example is there. Reword body stripping. Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Implementation traps Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Apply suggestions from code review Co-authored-by: Richard van der Hoff <[email protected]> * Add dates to client status list Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Mention pushrules proposal in the alternatives section Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> * Update proposal to 2024 This also addresses several review comments from clokep and Travis. * Be explicit about removal * Apply suggestions from code review Thanks dbkr, richvdh and clokep! Co-authored-by: David Baker <[email protected]> Co-authored-by: Richard van der Hoff <[email protected]> Co-authored-by: Patrick Cloke <[email protected]> * Apply suggestions from code review Co-authored-by: Richard van der Hoff <[email protected]> * Update proposals/2781-down-with-the-fallbacks.md Co-authored-by: Patrick Cloke <[email protected]> * Apply suggestions from code review Co-authored-by: Travis Ralston <[email protected]> Co-authored-by: Andrew Morgan <[email protected]> * Simplify wording around invalid html and potential issues Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> --------- Signed-off-by: Nicolas Werner <[email protected]> Co-authored-by: Richard van der Hoff <[email protected]> Co-authored-by: David Baker <[email protected]> Co-authored-by: Patrick Cloke <[email protected]> Co-authored-by: Travis Ralston <[email protected]> Co-authored-by: Andrew Morgan <[email protected]>
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Due to invalid formatting, replies to replies became garbled, causing display issues in some clients. Hydrogen itself managed to display the replies correctly but other clients and bridges struggled because they were actually using the fallbacks. Current spec: https://spec.matrix.org/v1.12/client-server-api/#fallbacks-for-rich-replies Reply fallbacks are actively being removed in the upcoming spec but that doesn't mean that Hydrogen should keep the old bugged code in place. Upcoming MSCs: - matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals#2781 - matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals#3676 - spec: matrix-org/matrix-spec#1994 Signed-off-by: Mirian Margiani <[email protected]>
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Due to invalid formatting, replies to replies became garbled, causing display issues in some clients. Hydrogen itself managed to display the replies correctly but other clients and bridges struggled because they were actually using the fallbacks. Current spec: https://spec.matrix.org/v1.12/client-server-api/#fallbacks-for-rich-replies Reply fallbacks are actively being removed in the upcoming spec but that doesn't mean that Hydrogen should keep the old bugged code in place. Upcoming MSCs: - matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals#2781 - matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals#3676 - spec: matrix-org/matrix-spec#1994 Signed-off-by: Mirian Margiani <[email protected]>
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Since I hit another fallback bug today, I thought I should finally propose this. Let's see, how this goes.
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fixes matrix-org/matrix-spec#368
fixes matrix-org/matrix-spec#350 ?
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