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# The Lua Users Foundation Manifesto
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I would add a note that this document is a draft and not yet normative

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I didn't add that because the fact that it is an unmerged PR is already indicating that it is a draft

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I suggest to add and merge (after review). Unmerged PRs are less visible (and are harder to create a PR against).

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What?

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Please elaborate the question.

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A merged PR is not a PR anymore 🤔

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I still do not understand.

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Okay, I understood what you mean

Etiene, please add "Draft" to the document, then it'll be merged. After that, others will make PRs with changes related to this document


The Lua Users Foundation (the Foundation) is an association of individuals in a modular umbrella structure consisted of several workgroups, detailed in the Lua Users Foundation Constitution.
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The constitution document will be drafted in the future.

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NB: PR comments are the same thing as in-document comments --- as they become much less visible once PR is merged

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s/consisted/consisting/

The Foundation formal decision-making process is governed by the Lua Users Foundation Constitution, according to the Foundation Goals and Values, towards our Mission.
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s/Foundation/Foundation's/

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which one?

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The Foundation formal decision-making process

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oh thanks, good catch


## The Mission

* Support and promote the Lua programming language, its community and ecosystems.

## The Values

* The Lua programming language is developed by the Lua Team and defined by the Lua Programming Manual. Furthermore:
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Should clarify on what the language is. Is it the language as described in the manual? Or is it the reference implementation?

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This is a difficult question, which will block the development of the manifesto. I say that one of the goals of the LUF is to make this point officially clarified by the Lua Team

There were many discussions on that point with Roberto on previous Lua in Moscow. Please refer to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdRGOE1N-FA&list=PLTHTttj90_1mdhrKc-H5apZWoVIXmkhcN (in English), especially second and third talks.

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@Etiene's comment at #3 (comment) implies that we've already selected an answer to this question.
As far as I know, LuaJIT is compliant to the lua 5.1 manual.
Which then implies that "the lua language" in this paragraph is intended to be the reference implementation; not what is described in the manual.

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I do not follow, sorry. This item clearly states that the Lua language is whatever that is developed (as a language) by the Lua Team and defined by the Manual. No?

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I agree that this is a difficult question. I would rather make a decision, even if it is a political decision, with the understanding that we can update this manifesto at a later point.

* The Lua programming language is small, fast, easy to learn and use.
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Not sure if this line and the previous one make sense here. They are facts not values, and concern the Lua language not the Foundation.

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This line is there to state our position in the "is LuaJIT Lua?" controversy

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OK, it makes sense.

* The Lua programming language philosophy is less is more.
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I would write:

The Lua programming language philosophy is: "Less is more".

Also I am not sure if this is not controversial...

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I like your phrasing. It probably is somewhat controversial, yes. But it is the original philosophy of Lua and I think we should strive not to deviate from that.

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I think the philosophy of lua is better described as "mechanism, not policy"

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I think the philosophy of lua is better described as "mechanism, not policy"

Finally found a good citation from the lua team. https://www.lua.org/wshop13/Ierusalimschy.pdf see 2nd last page.

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Many thanks!

* The Lua ecosystem is diverse, it includes many libraries, frameworks, implementations, dialects and related languages.
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"The Lua ecosystem is diverse: it includes many libraries, frameworks, implementations, dialects and related languages."
Note the ":"

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Maybe, yes

* The Lua community is inclusive. We welcome and encourage participation by everyone. We are committed to foster a diverse community with respect of personal characteristics such as, but not limited to, gender identity or expression, sexual orientation, ethnicity, age, religion, disability, class, geographic location, background and experience.
* Lua and related technologies should have wider adoption in the world.
* The Lua Users Foundation is a transparent and not for profit endeavour.
* The Lua Users Foundation values simplicity and accessibility (easy to learn and use) in our work.
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Maybe it should be moved closer to "less is more" point. Or maybe they should be merged together somehow.

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You're welcome to create a pull request with suggested edits.


## The Goals

* To aid the Lua Team and the Lua programming language implementers.
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In "The Mission" section you didn't start sentences with "To". Maybe here we don't need it as well? (and in the next bullet points too)

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ditto

* To support and foster critical projects such as Lua libraries (modules) and frameworks ecosystems.
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s/frameworks ecosystems/framework ecosystems/

... I think. :)

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I think frameworks ecosystems is the correct! :)

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I think catwell is correct here

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framework ecosystems or ecosystems of frameworks (less wieldy and with the same meaning).

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I'd suggest to replace "critical" to "important". "Critical" is something that people can't live without, and you can survive without Lua libs/frameworks for a long time. :)

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Wouldn't change the ambiguity. One need to define what is "critical" or "important" somewhere in the documents to work around that problem. Also, there are different degrees of critical (mission critical, life critical etc.), so the implication is less severe here, IMO.

* To support and foster the Lua community.
* To encourage wider adoption of Lua programming language in the world.
* To be a lasting organisation generating positive impact to those writing software in Lua.
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organiZation (I suggest we adopt US English)

* To serve as a point of contact for organizations seeking to support and sponsor Lua development.