diff --git a/apps/PiKISS GUI/credits b/apps/PiKISS GUI/credits
deleted file mode 100644
index c002a5ed35..0000000000
--- a/apps/PiKISS GUI/credits	
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,3 +0,0 @@
-@krishenriksen on Github for creating PiKISS-GUI.
-@Jai-JAP on Github for modifying the app to add semi-automated app syncs from piKISS & adding this app to Pi-Apps.
-
diff --git a/apps/PiKISS GUI/description b/apps/PiKISS GUI/description
deleted file mode 100644
index 6438dffb8b..0000000000
--- a/apps/PiKISS GUI/description	
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,9 +0,0 @@
-PiKISS GUI is a GTK frontend for PiKISS
-
-To run: Menu -> Accessories -> PiKISS GUI
-To run in a terminal: ~/.local/bin/pikiss-gui
-
-To Sync apps with PiKISS:
-Run: Menu -> Accessories -> PiKISS GUI Sync Apps
-(or)
-From terminal run: ~/local/share/pikiss-gui/getapps.sh
diff --git a/apps/PiKISS GUI/icon-24.png b/apps/PiKISS GUI/icon-24.png
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diff --git a/apps/PiKISS GUI/icon-64.png b/apps/PiKISS GUI/icon-64.png
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diff --git a/apps/PiKISS GUI/install b/apps/PiKISS GUI/install
deleted file mode 100755
index 23e54ebbb6..0000000000
--- a/apps/PiKISS GUI/install	
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,19 +0,0 @@
-#!/bin/bash
-
-git_clone https://github.com/Jai-JAP/pikiss-gui || error 'Failed to clone PiKISS GUI repository!'
-
-install_packages ninja-build gobject-introspection libgee-0.8-dev libgirepository1.0-dev libgtk-3-dev valac libgnome-menu-3-dev || exit 1
-
-if package_is_new_enough meson 0.57.0 ;then
-  install_packages meson || exit 1
-else
-  install_packages python3-pip || exit 1
-  sudo python3 -m pip install --upgrade meson || error 'Failed to upgrade older version of meson from pip'
-  hash -r
-fi
-
-"${DIRECTORY}/manage" install-if-not-installed piKiss || error "piKiss failed to install somehow!"
-
-cd pikiss-gui || error 'Failed to cd into pikiss-gui folder'
-
-./build.sh || error 'Failed to build PiKISS GUI'
diff --git a/apps/PiKISS GUI/uninstall b/apps/PiKISS GUI/uninstall
deleted file mode 100755
index e36e675dc5..0000000000
--- a/apps/PiKISS GUI/uninstall	
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,9 +0,0 @@
-#!/bin/bash
-
-purge_packages || exit 1
-if [ -d ~/pikiss-gui ];then
-  cd pikiss-gui || error 'Failed to cd into pikiss-gui directory'
-  ./uninstall.sh || error 'Failed to run PiKISS-GUI uninstall script'
-  cd .. || error 'Failed to cd out of pikiss-gui directory'
-  rm -rf pikiss-gui || sudo rm -rf pikiss-gui || warning 'Failed to remove pikiss-gui directory'
-fi
diff --git a/apps/PiKISS GUI/website b/apps/PiKISS GUI/website
deleted file mode 100644
index 646ab2fa71..0000000000
--- a/apps/PiKISS GUI/website	
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1 +0,0 @@
-https://github.com/Jai-JAP/PiKISS-GUI
diff --git a/apps/piKiss/description b/apps/piKiss/description
deleted file mode 100644
index 20ac0f70da..0000000000
--- a/apps/piKiss/description
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,10 +0,0 @@
-A bunch of scripts with a menu to make your life easier. 
-To run: Menu -> System Tools -> PiKiss
-To run in a terminal: ~/piKiss/piKiss.sh
- ∙ Easy system configuration
- ∙ Ability to install your favourite games like Half Life
- ∙ Emulators galore!
- ∙ Install apps like OBS and Cool-Retro-Term!
- ∙ AND MUCH MORE!
-
-ATTENTION! The pi-kiss maintainer only uses edge versions of software. This means that if you installed something and it works, it does not mean that it will work in the future. Currently only Bullseye is supported, operation on Buster and similar systems is not guaranteed. Do not rush to remove your programs, you may not be able to install them in the future.
diff --git a/apps/piKiss/icon-24.png b/apps/piKiss/icon-24.png
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diff --git a/apps/piKiss/icon-64.png b/apps/piKiss/icon-64.png
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diff --git a/apps/piKiss/install b/apps/piKiss/install
deleted file mode 100755
index 1fbe9b0f2d..0000000000
--- a/apps/piKiss/install
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,17 +0,0 @@
-#!/bin/bash
-
-if ! grep -q </proc/device-tree/compatible 'bcm2712\|bcm2711\|bcm2837\|bcm2836\|bcm2835'; then
-  error "User error (reporting allowed): Sorry. PiKISS is only available for Raspberry Pi boards."
-fi
-
-status "\nPiKISS\n======\n\nInstalling at ${HOME}/piKiss. Please wait...\n"
-install_packages dialog || exit 1
-git_clone -b master https://github.com/jmcerrejon/PiKISS.git piKiss || exit 1
-
-echo -e "[Desktop Entry]\nName=PiKISS\nComment=A bunch of scripts with menu to make your life easier\nExec=${HOME}/piKiss/piKiss.sh\nIcon=${HOME}/piKiss/icons/pikiss_32.png\nTerminal=true\nType=Application\nCategories=ConsoleOnly;Utility;System;\nPath=${HOME}/piKiss/" > ~/.local/share/applications/pikiss.desktop
-
-status_green "PiKISS installed!
-=================
-
-To run: Menu -> System Tools -> PiKiss
-To run in a terminal: ~/piKiss/piKiss.sh"
diff --git a/apps/piKiss/uninstall b/apps/piKiss/uninstall
deleted file mode 100755
index 28b471616d..0000000000
--- a/apps/piKiss/uninstall
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,5 +0,0 @@
-#!/bin/bash
-sudo rm -rf ~/piKiss
-sudo rm -f ~/.local/share/applications/pikiss.desktop
-
-purge_packages || exit 1
diff --git a/apps/piKiss/website b/apps/piKiss/website
deleted file mode 100644
index b1d4e9fe1c..0000000000
--- a/apps/piKiss/website
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1 +0,0 @@
-https://github.com/jmcerrejon/PiKISS
diff --git a/etc/categories b/etc/categories
index b3e1ed2550..24388b8f2a 100644
--- a/etc/categories
+++ b/etc/categories
@@ -142,8 +142,6 @@ Persepolis Download Manager|Internet
 Pi-Apps Terminal Plugin (bash)|Tools
 PiGro|Tools
 Pika Backup|System Management
-PiKISS GUI|hidden
-piKiss|hidden
 Pinta|Creative Arts
 Pi Power Tools|System Management
 PiSafe|Tools
diff --git a/etc/runonce-entries b/etc/runonce-entries
index 7ed5612de8..27ecb26b4a 100755
--- a/etc/runonce-entries
+++ b/etc/runonce-entries
@@ -90,7 +90,8 @@ You can install Pale Moon from Pi-Apps on a 64bit OS."
   remove_deprecated_app "Minecraft Java MultiMC5" "" "Due to upstream changes, MultiMC5 for ARM can no longer support any newer versions of Mincraft so it has been removed from Pi-Apps.
 All users are encouraged to install Prism Launcher from Pi-Apps (a MultiMC fork with many improvements and new features)."
   remove_deprecated_app "Chromium Widevine" "" "Use the Better Chromium app to handle enabling/disabling of Widevine in Chromium."
-  remove_deprecated_app "Temps" "" "This application has been abandoned by its developers and is not compatible and unsafe to use on modern Linux distros."
+  remove_deprecated_app "PiKISS GUI" "" "Due to upstream changes at piKiss this GUI is no longer relevant."
+  remove_deprecated_app "piKiss" "" "This application developer is unwilling to fix and remove scripts that break users installs. It is unsafe to install piKiss scripts."
 EOF
   ;;
 esac
@@ -260,6 +261,7 @@ EOF
 
 #Fix PiKiss vulkan breaking apt install/uninstalls/upgrades
 runonce <<"EOF"
+  # bump to run again
   if [ -f /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99reinstall-vulkan-driver-hook ]; then
     sudo_popup rm -f /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99reinstall-vulkan-driver-hook
   fi